Posts by defender of truth

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When Was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed references

by GoUnion in

this topic has been covered extensively but i just wanted relate what hapopenes with this subject and my elder father.

he called me up one day to check in on me he always asks if i'm going to msettings and i always tell him no im not.

well this time he wanted to know why i didn't trust the g.b.

defender of truth

These should work, sorry.
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http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/224416/1/The-June-2012-citation-of-Ephraim-Stern
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http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/115488/1/What-are-your-favorite-WT-misquotes#.U6yj9F2t-o8

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http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/222960/1/e2809cWHEN-WAS-ANCIENT-JERUSALEM-DESTROYED-e2809d-Why-does-it-matter-The-Watchtower-October-1-2011-and-November-1-2011

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When Was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed references

by GoUnion in

this topic has been covered extensively but i just wanted relate what hapopenes with this subject and my elder father.

he called me up one day to check in on me he always asks if i'm going to msettings and i always tell him no im not.

well this time he wanted to know why i didn't trust the g.b.

"However, I would like to highlight a few instances.
Let us go to the November 2011 Public Watchtower, page 28. Note 18, regarding VAT 4956 says,"Though the cuneiform sign for the moon is clear and unambiguous, some of the signs for the names of the planets and their positions are unclear. (Mesopotamian Planetary Astronomy—Astrology, by David Brown, published 2000, pages 53-57) Because of this, the planetary observations are open to speculation and to several different interpretations."
Again setting aside whether 607 BC is correct, or if VAT 4569 is a reliable witness--the reference Mesopotamian Planetary Astronomy-Astrology is cited to support that idea why the planetary observations should be thrown out. However, the reference says no such thing. VAT 4956 contains clear and unambiguous planetary names.
Note 17 says,"Therefore, the first Babylonian month (Nisanu) would have started the new year two months earlier, on May 2/3. While normally the year of this eclipse would have begun on April 3/4, VAT 4956 states on line 6 that an extra month (intercalary) was added after the twelfth (last) month (Addaru) of the preceding year. (The tablet reads: “8th of month II2.”) Therefore, this made the new year actually not start until May 2/3."
In all the years of this calendar system, the month of Nissan never began in May. Intercalary months were only added so that the year would not begin before the spring equinox. It would never have been added in such a way to make the year start exceedingly late like this. Here, the Society readjusted the known calendar for this year in order to point to a lunar observation and force it agree with VAT 4956.
BTW--if VAT 4956 is irrelevant as you have previously said, why is the Society putting so much credence in this astronomical diary? Is this not "food at the proper time"? Are you not contradicting "the Slave"?
Finally, I would like to point out this link:
http://www.jehovahs- witness.net/watchtower/bible /224416/1/The-June-2012- citation-of-Ephraim-Stern
Here we see that the June 2012 Awake selectively quoting Ephraim Stern in an effort to prove the case for 607 BC. However, when reading the quotation in full context, it is a flagrant misrepresentation of what the scholar is saying.
There are many other misrepresentations in Part 1 & 2, as well as other articles, and AnnOMaly and others have pointed them out. For the benefit of the lurkers, as well as yourself, I would consult the following link of links about this subject. Digging will be required, but the secular quotations in their context can be found in abundance, as well as what some of these scholars thought of how they were quoted.
http://www.jehovahs- witness.net/watchtower/bible /222960/1/e2809cWHEN- WAS-ANCIENT-JERUSALEM- DESTROYED-e2809d-Why-does- it-matter-The-Watchtower- October-1-2011-and-November- 1-2011
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The post was made in this thread..

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/224385/4/Explain-in-a-FEW-words-why-the-607-date-is-incorrect#.U6ycal2t-o8

I'm not up to doing much more searching but a quick Google shows that you can buy the book 'Mesopotamian Planetary Astronomy-Astrology' referred to here on Amazon or download a pdf..

http://www.google.com/m?q=Mesopotamian+Planetary+Astronomy-Astrology

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When Was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed references

by GoUnion in

this topic has been covered extensively but i just wanted relate what hapopenes with this subject and my elder father.

he called me up one day to check in on me he always asks if i'm going to msettings and i always tell him no im not.

well this time he wanted to know why i didn't trust the g.b.

defender of truth

Why even worry about secular references to disprove 607?

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/55372/1/586-587-the-K-I-S-S-approach-no-VAT4956-Ptolemy-Josephus-needed#.U6x7zV2t-o8

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http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/110027/1/Easy-Math-for-586-587#.U6x8WV2t-o8

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All Letters to Elders From The branch 1981 - 2012 BOE

by BlindersOff1 in

http://www.sendspace.com/file/1d0c72.

defender of truth

Bttt

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WT Letters 1950s

by Old Goat in

i need scans of any you may have for a personal research project.

can anyone help?.

defender of truth

Can't find any on here from the 50's, but this may be of interest anyway..

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/243938/1/All-Letters-to-Elders-From-The-branch-1981-2012-BOE#.U6vntV2t-o8

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Theists, why does God allow suffering..

by The Quiet One in

..specifically, the suffering of animals.

you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

defender of truth

Well, if Seraphim never comes back, I think that the points have been made well enough. It's a shame, though..

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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

by cofty in

yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

defender of truth

"Or perhaps free will would be relevant if human negligence always played a role. There will be some who say the scale of the tragedy in natural disasters is partly attributable to humans. The world has the choice to help its poorer parts build earthquake-resistant structures and tsunami warning systems.
A still smoking Krakatoa in 1883, which caused a devastating tsunami
But the technology has not always existed. Was prehistoric man, with his sticks and stones, somehow negligent in failing to build early warning systems for the tsunamis that were as deadly back then as they are today?"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8467755.stm

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Marrying a Black Person

by ThomasCovenant in

we are not living today among aryan nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for marrying a black, as was possible and was ordered in the early days of apartheid.. being limited by the laws of the new south african nation in which we live, we can take action against those who marry blacks only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with current laws.

the law of the land forbids us to kill them, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship.

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defender of truth

Compare the wording in the first and third posts. The OP is very creative and well done.

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Marrying a Black Person

by ThomasCovenant in

we are not living today among aryan nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for marrying a black, as was possible and was ordered in the early days of apartheid.. being limited by the laws of the new south african nation in which we live, we can take action against those who marry blacks only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with current laws.

the law of the land forbids us to kill them, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship.

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defender of truth

It's a parody of the Watchtowers prejudice ;)

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Marrying a Black Person

by ThomasCovenant in

we are not living today among aryan nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for marrying a black, as was possible and was ordered in the early days of apartheid.. being limited by the laws of the new south african nation in which we live, we can take action against those who marry blacks only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with current laws.

the law of the land forbids us to kill them, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship.

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defender of truth

(Nov 15, 2011 WT):

" The prophet Elisha sent one of the sons of the prophets to anoint Jehu as king and to instruct him to kill every male of the apostate house of Ahab- 2 Ki. 8:28: 9:1-10."
"though the thought of violence is unpleasant, we should realize that in those days, Jehovah used his servants to carry out his judgments....Today, no servant of Jehovah uses physical force against opponents of pure worship. "Vengeance is mine," God says. (Heb. 10:30) But to rid the congregation of potentially corrupting influences. Christen elders may have to act with courage similar to that of Jehu.(1 Cor. 5:9-13) And all members of the congregation need to be detemined to avoid the company of disfellowshipped individuals-2 John 9-11."
"Jehu announced that he intended to hold "a great sacrifice" for Baal. (2Ki. 10:18,19) "This is a clever play on words on the part of Jehu," says one scholar. While the term employed here "generally means 'sacrifice,' it is also used of the 'slaughter' of apostates."
"It is true that Jehu spilled much blood. Yet, the Scriptures present him as a courageous man. "

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/230324/1/JW-hate-group#.U6rgJV2t-o8